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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:12:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group.
This week's events prove that.
It isn't risk aversion, it is boredom aversion.
Sov grinding just isn't fun. It is a lot like mining. Lock on to unmoving object and sit there for hours. Boring.
Montolio wanted a sov grind, and all the parties that would end up having to fleet up to do the grinding (GSF and PL) said "No".
Instead, we just reset each other so we can have fun spaceship battles. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
366
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:19:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Instead, we just reset each other so we can have fun spaceship battles. So, you're both consenting to being attacked? Iiiiinteresting. 
That's the idea. So long as it is shooting spaceships and not structures.
Granted, some alliances in CFC have already been neutral to parts of HBC for months now, so for some it is just business as usual. The only real news is avoiding another long boring sov grind. And that is good, because between the 2 blocs, they have ground 8 some regions over the past year. Grinding structures is not the content we want to be creating right now. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
366
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:18:00 -
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Like most nullsec (non)events, my favorite parts are the conspiracy theories thrown around by NPC alts in the the peanut gallery.
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:44:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Yes, I am a noob. And yes, I am very seldom in Nullsec. And yes, I have never participated in a "SOV-war". So, propably it's uninformed bias on my side. But still, after reading the following comment from Shadoo on the evenews24-site: Shadoo wrote:Cry all you like. It doesn't change the fact that all the whiners have no idea how to maintain tech and power. I play both sides and I win and win so get over it. While the whining faggots all cry for war its not going to happen. Mont does the wrong thing and we'll take his tech and rejoin goons. Goons do the wrong thing and we take their tech. Win ******* win so tears that way. I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio. Humm the force is strong with this one..... Of course the above is semi true, the majority of 0.0 dwellers like the odd scrap now and again but really they like fattening their wallets just as much, it's just human nature,
Especially true when the choices are;
(1) Fatten our wallets
(2) Doing boring as hell structure shots because some CEO was bored.
Fattening our wallets lets us lose ships doing fun things, like shoot spaceships instead of structures. And since cooler and smarter heads prevailed, we'll just reset each other and have fun shooting spaceships. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:03:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Who said that in that war there would be a need for that much sov grinding.
- TEST takes few systems to be stage systems.
- From there TEST attacks Tech moons
- TEST go for bears around Goonie space
Results:
- Low morale
- No more income
- Huge sov bills
- Goons break down eventually
And in middle lot of fun fights and no much of sov grind.
Because reinforcing a moon mining POS is so much more exciting than reinforcing a sov structure.
Oh, and TEST's tech moons are near our space, so we could bash their POS too. And that is how things escalate to full on sov grinding, because if you are going to be forced into timers and structure shots, it might as be for the long term removal of who ever is annoying you.
But yah, we could just do a little sov grinding, just the occasional POS shot. Just for our loving fans here on the Eveonline dot com forums. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:06:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:
(1) kiss your corp CEO's a**, PM him pictures of your sister, make an (homo)erotic soundcloud recording
(2) get handed a personal tech moon or three
(3) if your moons get attacked invoke alliance to bail you out
(4) Profit.
that's how PL seems to run - how corporations use their tech seems to be entirely up to them and handing out tech moons to individual members is common. Even trading/selling your tech moons to some other member seems acceptable. If you fall out of favor your tech moons get reappropriated.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
The bolded is apropos. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:07:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Yeah that s fine. And now imagine the scenario. U r in syndicate. U get camped. No more tech moons. And still u are paying your sov bills. Where TEST member would rat inbtw killing you. in english? Oooo the special boy needs a drawing?
If your drawings are more intelligible than your words, then go for it. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:56:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP.....
We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative.
I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact.
My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.25 00:06:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said.
Yah, those lazy nullbears, who between the 2 blocs ground through some 8 regions in the past year.
If you scrubs on the sidelines are so desperate for a sov grind, go buy some SBUs and get to work. The rest of us are going to enjoy the fruits of our labors. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:28:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 It didn't quite work out like you imagined last time. But don't let that stop you from dreaming. Don't let them EVER take your dreams away from you.
You are right. It worked out better than we imagined. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
369
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:38:00 -
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Cearain wrote:What changes to sov mechanics will make the null sec alliance leaders fight?
The only changes I hear from them is "farms and fields" which sounds like making null sec more of a carebear grazing land.
There are 2 points to adding to the "carebear grazing land" of nullsec;
(1) To promote bottom up alliance income, so that nullsec groups have to undock and use there space rather than rely on moons while the line members goof off on highsec alts.
(2) To promote undocking and doing stuff in space to an extant that roaming gangs can not only find targets, but that (going back to point 1) doing so will financially hurt a nullsec organization, giving some value to hit and run guerrilla tactics. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
369
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:12:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:what's it like when you speculate blindly on nullsec gameplay without having dipped a toe outside of the safety of highsec You put the ass in assume.
So do you.
There are only a handful of anomalies that are a sure-thing better than highsec PvE income. Most everything else, especially anything that involves getting items that must be sold for isk, adds an annoying layer of nullsec logistics. 23 jumps in a blockade runner to get those OSE's and deadspace mods to Jita kills your isk/hr.
If general nullsec income were so great, you wouldn't see so many complaints over true-sec, the anomaly nerf, bad industrial services, and massive moongoo wealth in the hands of the few. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:Bane Necran wrote:But maybe try mining. Better isk/hour gathering ABC ore than there is doing L4s. mining arkanor is less than 60M/hour and that's with a hulk with rorqual bonuses, after probing down a grav site and it assumes you're mining arkanor continuously meanwhile, mining crokite and bistot is less profitable than mining scordite in 0.9, and a lot more effort pretty sure L4s pay more than that
Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market.
And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores.
And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site.
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:44:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market.
And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores.
And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site.
also worth nothing that to flip the belt you have to mine 2m/jetcan spod, which is a complete joke, it's worth half of any given high sec ore, if not less. if you end up in a situation where a new grav site spawns in some one's prime time, and they cherry pick the HAH ores (and maybe the jaspet too) out of them, then every one else mining in that grav site earns less than they would in high sec because all that's left are high sec ores, and ores worth less than high sec ores. also, you have to mine all of them in order to flip the belt, and if you don't then it's questionable if you'll be able to cherry pick enough of the lucrative ores to maintain the indy level in the system. How the hell is a system like that even supposed to make sense?
It doesn't, and it is a reason nullsec mining is largely not a thing. And when it is, it tends to be dominated by Euro TZ people who can jump in right after downtime and get the grav sites while there is still some decent ore in it.
But highsec players don't know this. They are under the impression that nullsec belts are full of ark. The reality is that one usually has to chew through a ton of spod and then probe down a fresh grav site so you can cherry pick the highend (lol, check those market prices) ores, and leave the spod and crap for the next poor shmuck who thought he could make it big on nullsec mining.
Oh, and if the miners don't just put up with this, and mine all the spod everyday no matter how lame it is, the system will lose its industry level and the grav sites go back to being just a random occurrence like the other probed sites.
But we have ABC ores and are thus rolling in easy isk. Excuse me, I just rolled my eyes so hard that I sprained something.
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